In episode 29 of Covert Contact Brookings Institution senior fellow and author
of Temptations of Power: Islamists and Illiberal Democracy in a New Middle East
[http://www.amazon.com/Temptations-Power-Islamists-Illiberal-Democracy/dp/0190229241/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?ie=UTF8&qid=&ref_=tmm_pap_title_0&sr=]
Shadi Hamid