My question is: What is the deal?

it sure isn’t “not losing”.

use of the word “win” implies a win or lose paradigm – you can’t have it both ways. it’s a duality – there isn’t a third choice. that’s why it sounds so incredibly awkward coming out of bush’s mouth. even he recognizes the inconsistency.

“victory” is his sole objective. now what’s the opposite of victory?

defeat.

someone above made reference to a “vietnam-style tie” – i’d love to hear THAT explained. vietnam was no “tie”. we failed to achieve our objective and fled precipitously, abandoning our former allies to the viet cong and nva and eventually absorbing a huge number of refugees as immigrants. you have ties in a soccer game (how boring is that?), not in a war. these are people’s lives, not pieces in a game of stratego.

we were told “cakewalk”

we were told “welcomed as liberators”

we were told “spreading democracy throughout the region”

we were told “wmds”

we were told “mission accomplished”

none of the above came true. not one.

where is the “not losing” in that?

are they not losing because we’re actually in a completely different conflict than the one the administration has been PRETENDING we were fighting?

“we’re still not losing the imaginary war”?

have you no shame sir? at long last, have you no shame?

Since you did not get an answer to your question of ;

“What definition of losing are you using that will allow you to believe that we aren’t”

Their definition of not losing is simply “we are not losing because we are still there”

No one would ever lose if when you are going to, you simply say ” I am not quiting” ….. Hey!!! That’s an idea for NFL Coaches!! If any of them (50% every week) is losing the game…He can simply say I ain’t living the game, and the game will not end until I say so; And when will that be Mr. Coach? Glad you asked you ignorant Liberal!!!
The game will end when I win, and if I can’t win, then the game will end when I say I won.

That is the new enlightened way of Right Wing and Neo-Con Philosophy. Buda would be proud. They call it “The way Of Bush and the Voice”

So with the Militry at a braking point, I for one wander how much of this kind of “Support” can the Army afford before collapsing.

As for the “cowards and defeatists”; They were the ones that from day one wanted better equipment for our Army, accountability from it’s civilian commanders, profesional real and pragmatic policies that produced results, not talked about future results…… OH MY GOD, that was really cowardly of us to have demanded that from all you imbeciles in the Right!!!

Let’s see where your “talking points” will take you now.

I like the new one ; “We are not winning and we are not loosing”… But you need to improve on it by saying something like ” We are not winning and we are not loosing, but all to the contrary” That might stop the Civil War for about 15 minutes while the Shiite and Sunni scratch their heads trying to figure out if the Americans have gone nuts.

Live it to the Right Wingers. They tried to win a war by using half the necessary force, and filling up the difference with harsh lenguage.

And they get angry if we call them names!!

Best to declare victory and leave.

The remaining war cheerleaders don’t seem to understand: it is possible for America to lose a war. Let’s not prove that, OK? Time to get out of Iraq….

So it’s stalemate for now. In 30-40 years, it’s quite likely that Iraq and the US will both have stable governments, that the bad memories will have faded, and then we’ll be able to go the diplomatic route. (Like we’re doing today with Vietnam.)

The only thing I don’t understand is why the White House is saying that we’ll “lose” unless we meet an impossible set of goals. I wish I knew what was motivating them. It’s just as easy to set realisitic goals, so it almost seems like they want the US to be humiliated by a self-proclaimed “loss”.

Now, who’s not losing: Well Dick Cheney and Halliburton aren’t losing – even though they had to sell KBR to avoid criminal prosecution.\

Rummy’s not losing – ewven though he lost his office – because he still makes a boatload of cash every time a poor Iraqi baby is shot in the head.

And the Bush Crime Familky is not losing because the Carlyle Group, Dresser Industries, Ignite! and all their other criminal enterprises are profiting “royally” from this illegal imperial war for profit.

The rest of us? We’re losing!

Really? How exactly are we not losing in Iraq?

Aside from capturing Sadddam, we’ve failed to achieve any of our post-invasion goals (Iraqi army a mess, infrastructure a mess, security a mess, costs out of control).

Clearly we’re not winning, not matter what the definition of that is.

But what definition of losing are you using that would allow you to believe that we aren’t?

Worst President, Ever! George Dumbya Bush!

Our military doesn’t just deserve our “funding” them, but they deserve our respect, our thanks and our moral support. They are not asking YOU to pick up a gun and fight, they are willing to do it for you…… is it so much to ask that we support th…